Heat shootout

Illuminati · Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:15 pm Post subject: Heat shootout

(broadband only)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WODzsyxSHa0&search=jazz%20running%20guns%20hitmen%20exercise%20run%20hitman%20morning

well i was watching the video from the other thread, and this was in the other section. Interesting firefight, but just watch it and does ANYONE ever change a mag? (think i saw maybe 2 mag changes throughout the entire thing, and remember these are like 30rnd mags) lol its the old "endless supply of bullets" routine Smile

dont ask me why i posted it, just thought fellow gun enthusiasts would find it funny.

mark · Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:31 pm Post subject:

Yes, while I certainally do enjoy watching the shoot out scene I too noticed the 1,000,000 round magazines that Hollywood always uses in their movies Laughing

the sound that the shoot-out makes with the echo that can be heard in the distance is worth watching/hearing over and over. I guess that they filmed the shoot out in the afternoon in the city with full power blanks and they didn't use "canned" gunfire sound as they usually do that is why the sound of the fire fight is so good.

Illuminati · Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:51 pm Post subject:

Yea, its a very good scene actually. I find it a bit of an odd sensation when im concerned for the welfare of the public who keep getting in the way Shocked

im getting soft Embarassed

claymore · Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject:

I do believe the Andy Mcnabb (ex SAS bravo 2 zero etc) was the fireams instructor for them and the tactics adviser, so you would of thought mag changes would of been part and parcel. Still great sequence though, so good ones in Ronin as well.

INTERCEPTOR · Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 5:20 pm Post subject:

Yeah, that scene is a real mess Very Happy

Clay, what were u talking about the firearms instructor ? I didn't get it

Illuminati · Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 5:47 pm Post subject:

he was saying that a rather famous ex-sas guy, andy mcnab, helped them with the action scenes etc, tactics n whatnot, and he thought that mag changes would of been "key" to the scene with him helping out.

mark · Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:34 pm Post subject:

I am sure as per typical Hollywood fashion they cut the magazine changing scenes out to "save time" or they thought that they where un-necessary to the plot. Hey 1,000,000 round magazines are real right?

Spencerman · Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:44 pm Post subject:

If they were I want two! Even so, with the sound, and the way that it is shot, from a realist point of view, it is pretty darn good. It would be nice to more like this!

mark · Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:58 pm Post subject:

Could you imagine the weight of 1,000,000 rounds?

If they where to make another "Heat" style movie with a really good shoot-out with magazine changes etc. that was very realistic that would be great! However, Hollywood would never do it they would always screw it up and do some "creative" cutting to get rid of the cool detail...Very few movies feature magazine changes and or accurate details as they are extraneous to their plot. Sad...

One movie, that I can think of that has at least a few magazine changes is "The Hunter" with Steve McQueen and there are some others that I cannot think of right away.

Reemo · Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 9:32 pm Post subject:

I think you guys are all wrong on this one......

I was ECSTATIC when I saw Val Kilmer not only CHANGE MAGS, but hit the bolt release!!!

YAY!!!!!! First time in movie history! THE BOLT RELEASE!

The shootout in HEAT is tops!

And not only to guys like me........

Recall the famous "Hollywood shootout" at the Bank of America.......their escape was based on the fictional advance/shootout in the movie HEAT.

You guys want to see the "100,000 round magazine" watch ANY episode of the 1960's series, "COMBAT!".

INTERCEPTOR · Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:58 pm Post subject:

MadMike · Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:12 am Post subject:

Yes, the bolt catch action was great! A thing even Airsoft Players dream about.

Well, I think there were some (rather sensational) mag change scenes with the Colt .45 in LAST MAN STANDING, but its a few years I watched this movie.

No reloading was also needed in PREDATOR, when they cut the jungle into pieces using a minigun ...

rizzo · Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:27 am Post subject:

INTERCEPTOR · Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:01 pm Post subject:

Yeah, Rizzo you're right Very Happy

I think he shoots too many rounds per guy, with a Dual Beretta he shoots at least 10 rounds per person Very Happy

When he says he always leave one in his mag, its almost unbelievable Razz

Btw, what film is this pic shot from on your avatar ? ^^

2Sharp · Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:18 pm Post subject:

One movie that has (IMHO) nice gun handling is "Way of the gun".

I highly recommend it, the scene where Benicio Del Toro shoots through walls with his FN FAL is awesome...

The HEAT firefight is super-neat...

Smile

rizzo · Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 8:05 pm Post subject:

INTERCEPTOR · Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:16 am Post subject:

I thought about The Replacement Killers, by looking the way he's dressed (and because he looks older than in Hard Boiled) ^^

rizzo · Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:47 pm Post subject:

Possibly, I haven't seen Replacement killers yet

MadMike · Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject:

Not seen yet? Man, go and watch it! Laughing

INTERCEPTOR · Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:03 pm Post subject:

hehe, yeah It's not that bad, but, I honestly prefer Asian's. You sightly feel Woo's not around there Very Happy

Too much 'Hollywood' in this film makes it not as efficient as an asian one ^^

Reemo · Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:00 pm Post subject:

Boondock Saints.........

Have you all seen it?

GREAT "gun/guy" film!!

2Sharp · Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:04 am Post subject:

Reemo · Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:51 am Post subject:

Definitely NOT realistic,.....forgot that was the theme of this string!

But just a DAMN GOOD "guy film"!

QUOTE......."they are taking the fun - right out of the job. Tell me a joke." Laughing

rizzo · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:04 pm Post subject:

Boondock saints has received mixed reviews- It's on my rental list tho Wink

cerwyn · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:29 pm Post subject: 1,000,000 rd mags

Can you imagine being the poor guy responsible for stripping, cleaning, lubricating, recapping and reasembling all of them 1,000,000 PFC rounds?
Hell my girlfriend plays holly hell when I ask her to gimme ahand to load up a 30 rd mag in my Thompson!
It's no wonder movies take years to make!
I'd heard that McNab had been an advisor on a shootout film, so this must be it I guess. Apparently it's the 'keep attacking and advancing' techique so favoured by the good old British Army (best defence is attack!)
The best filmed shootout (although it was for real and killed people) must be the bankrobbery in LA where 2 guys went in with AK47's, semi auto pistols and a G3 (I think). They took 3000 rds in, mostly armour piercing, shot the place to hell but got themselves killed in the process. Helicopter TV crews caught a lot of it on film... frightening.
It's a wonder they could walk carrying allthose loaded magazines.
C

2Sharp · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:32 pm Post subject:

Seems i need to see 44 minutes.

Horrible, good that the only people to die were the robbers - good riddance.

You sure that they carried 3000 rounds on their person?? It'd be around 150 magazines on each person, that's shit loads of weight.

I usually carry 12 magazines when in military gear, and that is quite heavy...

Maybe they re-stocked from their vehicle?

I'll check the movie out, then i will probably get an answer to all my questions Smile

cerwyn · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:10 pm Post subject: 44 minutes

Hiya,
The 2 robbers had a car outside, I guess a lot of their gear was kept in that. If you get the History Channel on Satellite TV, keep your eye out for a series called 'Shootout'. The raid was reenacted on that, including real footage. The 2 had made their own kevlar body armour suits, making it possible to get to the car and theoir supplies under fire. Despite taking several hits they were able to continue firing, if my memory serves me right the police reckoned the robbers fired over 1100 rounds between them.
The crazy thing about it was the LA Police were only issued with shotguns and pistols. They had radioed base requesting heavier weapons to combat these 2 with AK's but resorted to commandering a load of semi auto rifles and assault weapons from a Gunstore in the street!
So the public have access to assault weapons but the Police don't!
Only in America I guess!
I hope the moderator doesn't mind chatter like this...
Cerwyn

2Sharp · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:23 pm Post subject:

Yeah, i've seen a few short vid clips of it, and read some tidbits.

It's crazy...

As crimnals doesn't have laws to worry they can have what they want, we see a lot of illegal Ak's and various illegal munitions from the Balkans here in Sweden.
As the EU has opened up the borders it is easy to get'em in. So it is not only in America.

I'd say that the main reason the police weren't issued any carbines or rifles was political, bad press to see the cops tote "highpowered assault rifles". Which to me is b.s if there ever were.

It seem that the cops nowadays are more frequently carrying or are issued/allowed to own and carry some sort of carbine in their car.
I'm positive to that any police has more tools to choose from, as long as it isn't seen as a "be all, end all" solution.

I too hope that this discussion is ok Smile

cerwyn · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:42 pm Post subject: Still on 1,000,000 rd mags

I know this is getting off the main topic, and apologise beforehand but...
I was privelaged enough to meet a gentleman recently whose wartime occupation was a Tail Gunner in Lancaster bombers.
He told me of one raid where defending himself (and crew) from a nightfighter, he emptied his 4 x .303 Brownings, loosing off 11,000 rounds.
Once empty, that was his lot! They got home ok, but his armourers told him that all his barrels were bent, overheated by the constant firing.

Which reminds me of that vid posted here a little while ago, the new barrel for the M60... was it 850rds continuous in 1min 45secs or something?

Anyway, better go before I get told off!

C Sad

Spencerman · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject:

The robbery that is being refferred to above was pretty amazing (in a bad kind of way). I remember it quite well. The police ammo was useless because it couldnt penetrate the body armour of the crooks, but the crooks could shoot through cars etc. I believe that the used 75 round drum magazines for the AK assault rifles, and they did have shit loads of ammo. If you watch the movie S.W.A.T. that is what the opening sequance on that is based on. It is also not a bad gun movie. Plenty of MP5, M4 and Kimber action, and the dvd has a VERY nice section about the various weapons that were used in the film. Worth buying a copy just for that (I am referring to the region 1 release, I do not know if this was omitted from the region 2 version or not). I found it very funny (again in a bad way) that the police had to fall back to a gun store and collect guns and ammo to use to fight the crooks. It was very surreal.

INTERCEPTOR · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:42 pm Post subject:

Why did they have to get gears from a gun store ? I don't get it

2Sharp · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:07 pm Post subject:

Spencerman · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:37 pm Post subject:

Not to mention more ammo. To coin an old addage, it was like taking a knife to a gun fight.

INTERCEPTOR · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject:

Oh okay, I got it. Well, you mean, they do in the film ? Don't think so, a while I saw it but don't remember about that detail.

If you meant for real, that's odd, they pretty have any gun they want in the police, they have guns, drugs, money, all you want Very Happy

(evidences gathered Razz

)

Spencerman · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:43 pm Post subject:

No, for real. The real police were really outgunned and got guns and ammo from the local gun store. Remember that this was in the middle of a shootout. No time to wait for back up or for reinforcements to arrive, they were being gunned down. It was a little like the shootout in Heat, which was the starting topic for this thread. They were outgunned at the time. The opening scene in SWAT was loosley based around these events. Maybe someone could find the video clip from the news (Reemo, you are pretty good at this!) and post it here. As unbeliveable as it may sound. Another one that springs to mind is the bank robbery scene from the original Thomas Crown Affair. Although not loads of gun play, a pretty good scene.

INTERCEPTOR · Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:46 am Post subject:

Oh yeah, I see. I'm gonna try to look at this opening scene ^^

Thanks man,

Illuminati · Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:09 pm Post subject:

The shootout was at the Bank America in North Hollywood. And i got a newsclip for you guys:

http://www.student.oulu.fi/~hmikkola/ba_shootout_43.mov

Saw this on something like bravo a while ago, it was pretty crazy n they had a lot more footage than this. Some of it might of been a re-enactment though like on Shootout.

helfire · Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:04 pm Post subject:

Hi Guys,
here is another video link to the story.

http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1132660332/Hollywood_Bank_Shootout

Cheers,

Hellfire Wink

INTERCEPTOR · Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:51 pm Post subject:

Wow man, I saw that !! That was some havey sh*** ! Though, it happend like 8 years ago now. I don't think this could happen that way again.

The man covering the car was fun, lol. I thought they would have both got away in the car, they would have been faster, they still could shoot from it.

Illuminati · Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 4:41 am Post subject:

@Spencerman

Due to your little post about the movie S.W.A.T - ive bough it lol dont ya just love ebay, dvd for 3 quid posted Smile

Spencerman · Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 7:30 am Post subject:

Actually I hate ebay, I was banned. Evil or Very Mad

What did you think about the gun clips and info??? Pretty cool heh?

INTERCEPTOR · Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 10:12 am Post subject:

Got banned ? How could you ?

Spencerman · Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject:

Long story. In a nutshell, they are very anti-gun in the uk, and I got a few gun bits and bobs from ebay.com. Got warning followed by a ban without even a chance to reply to warning. Therefor I hate them. Evil or Very Mad

Reemo · Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 6:50 pm Post subject:

I had just moved away from California when that shootout happened. That Bank of Amrica was 30 mins from my house there.

You want to see the BEST coverage or footage of this shootout??

FIND the video/DVD of "Cops, Scariest police shootouts" which has AWESOME coverage of the incident.

The first on scene is a Spanish TV news crew who THOUGHT the bad guys were actually the cops!! The newsreporter is actually in a parking lot with one of the gunmen, creeping closer to him, and what he thought was the "safety" of the law.....WRONG!!

Suddenly AK bullets are pinging off the lamp poles around him and off of cars! He figures out pretty quickly that this isnt a cop!! (all of this is on video)

BEST SCENE???
The last gunman standing lets loose a full mag of .308 from his G3......POINT BLANK into the cop cars 20 feet away........the footage is from above (from a helicopter) and the audio is just AWESOME!! If you never fired a H&K G3, it will rattle your fillings out. "Boom-boom-boom-boom...."

Interesting notes you wont find on many websites or videos??
One of the gunmen commits suicide with an M9 pistol.......the airborne sniper didnt kill him as news reports told.

Also, the other gunman (though mortally wounded) was still clinging to life when EMT's arrived........cops there REFUSED to let the EMT's do their job, and instead, let the gunman "bleed out" on the pavement...."let him die" is what all the cops there said.

There was a lawsuit (if you can belive it) from the surviving family of that gunman....of course she lost.

LAST NOTES ON THE GUNMEN...
I saw photos of these guys.....not at ALL what I pictured......they were both real genuine "Banditos" from Mexico (Gold front teeth and all)...SCARY looking individuals who had robbed dozens of bank trucks.....bank robbery was not their usual thing.

Illuminati · Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 10:21 pm Post subject:

heh it hasnt arrived yet, only won it on friday so it'll be here next week between monday and tuesday

Reemo · Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:07 am Post subject:

Yeah, the COPS video (I know, what is a VCR?? Razz

) or DVD has coverage and footage I never saw before.....especially what the Spanish news crew filmed......you HEAR the rounds pinging off the lamp poles.......the news reporter thought for sure he was dead.

Also.......WATCH the footage when the gunmen are walking down the street firing........a cop shoots one from behind with a shotgun (slug) almost point blank.......he stumbles forward but doesn't go down. There is slow-motion footage of this.

I just cant believe that NOT ONE COP could get off a head shot. (WTF?)

Just watch for the video of the last guy dumping his G3 at the cops......I know its wrong to shoot at cops, ( Confused

) but if you are a gun lover, you will love this.......as good as Deniro firing FORWARD through his own windshield at the cops in HEAT!

That G3 is terrifying.

Reemo · Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:11 am Post subject:

FOUND IT!

You guys are in for a treat - this is the COPS video for free......North Hollywood shootout.

It has been slightly shortened and the audio sucks but it is 90% of what is on the cops DVD.

And you thought HEAT was "unrealistic" in the way cops and bad guys had no respect for innocent bystanders?!?! WATCH THIS!

Its the freakin "OK corral" and anybody in the way is going down!!

http://www.jokaroo.com/extremevideos/hollywoodshootout.html

Illuminati · Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 1:04 am Post subject:

ah, thats the same video as helfire posted on the last page, its quite often on bravo etc

Reemo · Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 2:24 am Post subject:

He already posted it!? Dang, I missed that! Sorry guys.

It's quite cut down, but that is the basic idea of the COPS DVD.

INTERCEPTOR · Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:51 am Post subject:

@Spencer : Yeah I know, eBay doesn't like guns sales either, I think you can only sell plastic toys out there, not even accurate replicas.

And, yes that's the same video Helf' posted before. Smile

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